Comments on: Bold Ideas Uttered Publicly: PyCon, Richards and Responding to Conduct Violations https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/ Personal blog for Christie Koehler. "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward." Sat, 31 Dec 2016 23:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.3 By: Sumana Harihareswara https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3066 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 03:19:56 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3066 Thanks for writing this, Christie. I’ve been linking to it — it helps me explain to people why I can see why Ms. Richards did as she did.

I noticed that in a few places here (and at least one other past post of yours) you used ‘women’ as a singular – is this an error, or is this a conscious choice? If the latter, would you mind educating me regarding your reasons for making that choice, or pointing me to your preferred style guide? Thanks!

I especially appreciate your perspective as a conference organizer on this issue. Thank you for sharing it.

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By: nylorac15 https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3063 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 22:18:36 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3063 Germane to the discussion: a blog post on Scientific American about the ethics of naming and shaming.

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By: Christie Koehler https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3054 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:16:01 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3054 A reminder to review my comment policy before commenting.

Any more comments that focus solely on the inappropriateness of Richards’ behavior will be removed. You have most of the rest of the internet on which to do that.

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By: Christie Koehler https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3053 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:13:49 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3053 You say this as if many of us don’t already spend considerable effort talking with people. Explaining these issues over and over again gets tiring. Those who hold privilege have a responsibility to do most of the work themselves.

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By: Christie Koehler https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3052 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:08:36 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3052 How you feel about codes of conduct personally isn’t really relevant. As conferences adopt them, It’s becoming obvious than having a clear set of expectations for participant behavior and a mechanism for dealing with inappropriate behavior is helping make space for women and other minorities.

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By: Christie Koehler https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3051 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:59:37 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3051 Perry your argument wasn’t picked apart point my point because it doesn’t deserve the time it would take to do so. It might sound original to you, but it’s not. It fits the pattern of a handful of arguments we encounter all the time. I don’t have time to write a detailed response to every single one of them. You have a responsibility to do some of the work yourself.

If you continue to focus on Richards’ actions in your comments, I will delete them. There are many place on the net where you can kvetch about how poorly she acted. I don’t need to provide another one here.

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By: TJ https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3050 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 08:59:47 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3050 As a gay Python developer, I frequently overhear homophobic remarks at conferences. I do not believe that PyCon’s code of conduct is the way to deal with it and I do not believe having such codes is in the interest of minorities. And I found Adria’s reaction unprofessional and completely inappropriate.

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By: Perry https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3048 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:36:32 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3048 My long experience is that as many women are assholes as men. All are human.

Adria’s not automagically a victim because she is female. Here, I think she is a victim of a stupid-dongle-joke indeed told inappropriately, but mostly of her own howitzer like PR-campaign overreaction, which spiraled way out of her control. Mr Hank (?) is apparently the other victim of her PR-campaign.

She didn’t mean to get him fired? Huh, what? That’s precisely what she set out to do.

She was supposed to be a diplomat. She wasn’t one. She eve started a war, so I expect that’s what got her fired. Did you read the blackmail notice?

PS. I was sorta expecting to have my argument picked apart, point by point. Not trolled. Sorry.

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By: Tim Chevalier https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3046 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 06:07:47 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3046 You are blaming the victim. Victim-blaming is bad and you should feel bad.

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By: Perry https://subfictional.com/bold-ideas-uttered-publicly/#comment-3045 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 02:52:01 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=632868#comment-3045 Thanks for the contrary view to what most women seem to be writing about the incident. You caused me to dig deeper and think harder about the incident than I otherwise would have.

You say that it was okay for her to come out using a political howitzer to swat a (really smelly) fly because she legitimately feared for her life in a crowded room. If she’d used a gun, would it have been self-defense? What about measured or appropriate response?
I am not a lawyer, be gentle with my use of vocabulary.

Because she did pull out the (political) howitzer, she attracted the attention of those on the planet who do wish her harm, instead of the most likely two harmless fly’s who likely would have been educated by the exchange of “hey not cool, how do you think it makes me feel?”. Sure it feels better (to some people, not me) to blow people away than trying to educate them, but civilization didn’t get built by condoning feuding. Do you want eggshells or equality? Some women say they don’t want the eggshells.

In her own words, she started out by demonizing the two men. She then ended up being demonized herself. I thought the goal was for everyone to treat everyone else as humans? How does automatic escalation cause that to happen?

I was unable to locate the dirty jokes she allegedly tweeted in the days prior to the incident. The dirtiness was probably exaggerated like everything else, but it still seems relevant enough to mention. Humans are human.

I’m a pacifist. I humanize everyone.

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