Comments on: The complex reality of adopting a meaningful code of conduct https://subfictional.com/the-complex-reality-of-adopting-a-meaningful-code-of-conduct/ Personal blog for Christie Koehler. "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward." Sat, 31 Dec 2016 22:46:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.2.3 By: Robert Klemme https://subfictional.com/the-complex-reality-of-adopting-a-meaningful-code-of-conduct/#comment-15073 Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:16:05 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=768540#comment-15073 This is a good read! Thank you for taking the time to put this together. Lots of food for thought.

There is one thing I struggle with a bit. You write “Some may respond with concern or be against a code of conduct because of the loss of power and privilege it represents to them (whether they are conscious of this or not).” Generally you seem to identify loss of power and privilege as the only source of objection against adopting a CoC. I think this is a too simplistic view.

For example: our western societies do have a tendency to regulate more and more with laws and rules (including CoC). In consequence the number of trials seems to constantly be going up. On one hand this is a good thing, because (in theory at least) everybody has a chance to read what is written and can adhere to it. On the other hand it seems to foster a development where people use less and less of their own judgement and need to be taken by the hand and lead to productive behavior and interaction with their fellow humans. I view this as a loss because it seems to me people become less adult in the process. I do not see how me regretting that has anything to do with loss of power. For me that is a general tendency to infantilization and this is the exact opposite direction of what e.g. Buddhism tries to teach us.

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By: Karen Lopez https://subfictional.com/the-complex-reality-of-adopting-a-meaningful-code-of-conduct/#comment-15051 Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:25:10 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=768540#comment-15051 Love this. All of it.

I think your 4 purposes of a code of conduct process/program imply, but leave out, what I feel is the most important part: how to help the reporter (and or victim) feel safe.

I’ve seen so much struggle happen in defining the conducts (yes a required part of CoEs), yet the actual reason we all want to bother with this is that we have someone who has been harmed. Yes, we may never get agreement from the diverse community on whether harm has happened (a whole other post if I ever get to writing it), but once we start the implementation of this process, we have to devote time, resources to helping the person feel safe. There are lots of options here, many controversial, but the fact that most of the projects I’ve seen to develop a CoE/AHP have spent almost no time on what to do with the reporter/victim.

Yes, we need to devote time to the subject of the report, but I want to ensure, on the projects I work on to develop these codes spend enough time creating processes/policies, etc on how to help those that have been harmed.

In my limited observations, the people who mock CoEs and such do so because they are only thinking of how it’s going to harsh their fun. If we could get those people to focus on how to help victims, we’d likely get more support. They know this crap happens. But because most projects in this area spend so much time and voice on the bad behaviours, people lose focus on the fact that people need our help after the fact.

These comments are an “and”, not an “or” discussion. We need all of it.

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By: Code of Conduct Warning Signs | The Geekess https://subfictional.com/the-complex-reality-of-adopting-a-meaningful-code-of-conduct/#comment-15047 Tue, 26 Jan 2016 05:29:43 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=768540#comment-15047 […] Read *everything* that Safety First PDX has to say about Code of Conduct design and enforcement. Read the HOW-TO design a Code of Conduct post on the Ada Initiative website. Watch Audrey Eschright talk about Code of Conduct enforcement. Look at the community code of conduct list on the Geek Feminism wiki. These are all a long reads, but these are known experts in the field who are offering their expertise to keep our open source communities safe. […]

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By: Christie Koehler https://subfictional.com/the-complex-reality-of-adopting-a-meaningful-code-of-conduct/#comment-15046 Tue, 26 Jan 2016 03:31:22 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=768540#comment-15046 Thank you for doing this! I’m too tired to read carefully tonight, but I will take a look tomorrow. Others are welcome to give feedback too. ;)

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By: Josh Szmajda https://subfictional.com/the-complex-reality-of-adopting-a-meaningful-code-of-conduct/#comment-15045 Tue, 26 Jan 2016 02:46:37 +0000 https://subfictional.com/?p=768540#comment-15045 I attempted to simplify this article for broader consumption, especially among international readers (where I think there is greater need for understanding). Please let me know if I’ve gotten anything wrong, I’ll update the gist. PRs also welcome :) https://gist.github.com/joshsz/cfb98e53e0063b4d1ddd

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